The LAST EVER Corey Rudl interview:
a fly on the wall as the two 'GREAT LEGENDS' of Internet and direct
marketing -- Corey Rudl and Dan
Kennedy -- discuss how
you can make Millions of Dollars using the Internet teamed
up with direct mail, radio, TV, classified
ads, Yellow Page ads, infomercials, and MORE!
PLUS -- Dan
and Corey reveal how to start OR expand your first business... and then GROW with the right balance
of advertising to generate MAXIMUM WEALTH, with minimal risk!"
WARNING... This is a very special 'limited edition'
of The Ultimate Internet Entrepreneur that
includes THREE SUPER Bonuses valued at $329.92... but
yours for FREE is only available to the
first 250 people who claim their copy.
... After that, I
will either REMOVE these bonuses from this package forever OR
I will consider raising the price to $1,499.00 or MORE to avoid diluting the value of the strategies revealed in this priceless
audio recording -- still a bargain (when you consider Corey's
consultation rates were $2,790 per hour -- and Dan's rates are $9,600.00
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Tuesday, 9:43 a.m.
of these marketing gurus to talk about making MILLIONS on the Internet
is one thing. But getting BOTH of these guys to spill the beans... is
ALMOST UNHEARD OF!
Just to illustrate how rare this is, here's what you would have had to do to meet up with these guys in person and get them to reveal their secrets...
- Persuade their personal
assistants to book an appointment (okay, first
you've got to FIND their personal assistants... who do you
call to get the ball rolling???),
- Coordinate their hectic schedules (they're frequently booked up
MONTHS in advance!),
- Sign away your life in confidentiality agreements BEFORE the meeting,
- Pay HUGE consulting
fees of $5,000-$10,000 per session, per marketer
-- or HIGHER!
- AND -- pay a percentage
of the profits you make from ANY of their ideas...
Because of this, recordings of TWO marketing legends brainstorming together are very rare. In fact, they're almost IMPOSSIBLE to find.
why I hope you will appreciate how priceless the following opportunity is...
Corey Rudl INSISTED his phone
conversation with Dan Kennedy be recorded...
And why you will be so THANKFUL he did."
60 days before Internet marketing
legend Corey Rudl tragically passed away, he recorded a PRIVATE phone conversation with his mentor -- direct marketing legend Dan Kennedy.
They'd both agreed to spend about
an hour brainstorming how to make MILLIONS using a strategic
blend of Internet marketing and direct (offline) marketing...
Corey and Dan had no plans to share OR record this conversation.
It was to
be for their own, personal benefit.
since a brainstorming session like this -- between two marketing legends
in their own right -- has NEVER been documented before, at the VERY last
minute (about 45 minutes before the call)... Corey decided on
a whim that it should be recorded.
Both of them
decided, if the call turned out to be valuable, they'd share it.
took over 2.5 hours to record
the entire conversation... "
One afternoon, at about 2 p.m., the conversation AND recording started -- and without any scripts,
and without any agenda beyond discussing how to combine online and offline
marketing strategies to make MORE money -- Dan and Corey
... And it was fascinating! Hearing this conversation would be comparable to sitting at the piano
with Mozart and Beethoven and listening as they composed music together.
meets genius -- it's exciting... exhilarating... and inspiring.
talked about how he grew his businesses from $25 to
over $40 MILLION in online sales...
... And he spoke about how he taught 1,000's of 'real' people
to make MASSIVE incomes of $100,000 to $2.5 MILLION
per year -- often working less than 10 hours per
YES again... Dan
spoke about how he's made hundreds of MILLIONS
of dollars for his clients...
Including companies like Weight Watchers, Amway, Mass Mututal
Insurance, and the $200-million-per year Gunthy-Renker Corporation -- famous for its celebrity infomercials
with Victoria Principal, Vanna White, and Tony Robbins!
also covered MUCH more!
at length about how ANYONE can...
strategies from Corey AND Dan's
most profitable, Million-Dollar campaigns...
For even BIGGER profits!
Corey and Dan spoke about was based on their personal portfolio of WINNING
test results from million-dollar marketing campaigns they
had EACH been part of!
they talked about...
- The Four-Stage Cycle that occurs every time a new marketing technology is invented
-- and how you can make MILLIONS
at every stage -- not just as a lucky "early adopter!"
YOU afford to advertise on TV? -- MAYBE! Calculate
what you can afford to spend on advertising -- in EVERY medium,
including direct mail, radio, classifieds, TV, and infomercials
-- using Dan's dollar-cost averaging formula.
- How RICH marketers think differently than POOR marketers! Get insight into the genius minds of Corey, Dan,
and their millionaire clients -- and learn exactly how they "think"
their way to wealth!
- Learn how to spot "Market
Gaps" -- hidden pockets of unfilled need, where
you can swoop in and scoop up 1,000's
of eager buyers for instant profits!
- The NEW generation of "tear
sheet" mailings that one of Dan's clients -- an
Internet business owner -- recently used to make
$20 for every $1 spent on his direct mail campaign!
- How to get
permission from first-time buyers to BILL THEM AGAIN,
over and over, for more of the same product or service, for
years to come!
99% of Yellow Pages Ads are doing WRONG -- and how to fix it! (HINT: You do NOT need to buy a
bigger ad, or spend MORE money on color and artwork!)
TRUE story: Two guys sold almost IDENTICAL products, with the SAME offer, to the
SAME audience -- yet one guy made $2 Million MORE... all thanks to just one simple strategy!
- The 2 blockbuster marketing
ideas that Corey got from Dan, which made him over $100,000 in profits (that's
cash in hand!) -- in less than 24 months!
that's just for starters!
Dan's conversation was originally scheduled to last one hour...
were on such a roll, they paused only to call their personal assistants
and CANCEL their appointments for the rest of the afternoon -- so they
could focus on finishing their call without any distractions.
In the end,
the recording lasted just over 155 minutes...
a barking dog was edited out!
true... they had to edit out a barking dog.
the ONLY editing they did.
Because Corey and Dan's entire conversation of 150 minutes
and 29 seconds was so brilliant and inspired -- with a completely
FRESH look at how ANYONE can make more money by combining online and offline
marketing campaigns -- it was simply too good to cut down!
conversation has been broken down into a THREE-CD PACKAGE called The Ultimate Internet Entrepreneur and includes the following...
critical differences between
RICH marketers and POOR marketers...
PLUS, how to start ANY business and GUARANTEE you'll
suppose you might say the strategies Corey and Dan cover on
CD #1 are for "beginners" -- people who don't have
a business yet, or people looking for ways to grow an existing
But that wouldn't be quite accurate.
while they DO discuss how to start and successfully grow any
business -- they discuss it in terms of how THEY would
start again themselves...
you can forget about everything you've learned in those "beginner"
marketing textbooks (which are full of theories, anyway) and...
how experienced MILLIONAIRES -- like Corey and Dan
would start over again and rebuild
and Corey talk at length about why MOST businesses fail --
or make mediocre incomes at best -- so you'll know what mistakes
they'll talk about how to guarantee your success from
Day #1 -- using specific examples you can easily
example, you'll learn...
to think like a RICH marketer instead of a POOR one! Get insight into the genius minds of Corey, Dan, and their
millionaire clients -- and learn exactly how they "think"
their way to wealth!
- Discover what 95% of Internet businesses are doing WRONG -- and why this simple oversight can make
YOU extremely rich!
Studies of 'regular' people making
$300,000.00 to $1 MILLION (USD) each year
with the SAME strategies you're about to discover..."
THIS TRUE STORY... As a child, Dan watched his father take his business from
enormous prosperity to virtual poverty -- in the blink of an eye! Learn the FATAL MISTAKE Dan's father made, learn why 90% of business
owners make it -- and learn how
you can easily AVOID falling victim and losing your shirt! (This is SUCH a common error, you may be doing it RIGHT
most profitable ways to advertise
your offline business on the Internet!
- How BOTH Dan and Corey got rich using this "multiple
streams of income" technique -- and how you can
follow in their footsteps!
- The Four-Stage Cycle that occurs every time a new
marketing technology is invented -- and how
you can make MILLIONS at every stage -- not just
as a lucky "early adopter!"
startling secret of "efficient"
selling vs. "effective" selling. (If you're like me, this ONE concept will completely change the way you think about making money online!)
- The #1 most profitable lesson you can learn from offline direct mail campaigns!
easy (and surprisingly inexpensive) steps you can
take to turn your online product into an offline
package. (NOTE: This has the potential to at
least double your money in no time flat!)
"magic bean" question... and
why it can be fatal to your business!
- How to drive truckloads of cash off the
Internet... even if you don't have a business yet!
how to spot "Market Gaps" -- hidden pockets
of unfilled need, where you can swoop in and scoop
up 1,000's of eager buyers for instant profits!
plus much more!
"The $10,000-a-month Matchbook Campaign"
for a moment, that your best friend had a great business idea...
And he decided to start marketing this business by advertising
on matchbook covers.
meet him a couple of months later and ask how it's going...
"Great!" he says. "I'm making $10,000
a month from those little matchbooks!"
you are done congratulating your friend (and maybe hitting
him up for a fancy steak dinner!), wouldn't you ask him why
he wasn't advertising his idea somewhere OTHER than matchbooks?
maybe on the radio? Or the Internet?
all, if you can make $10,000 advertising on matchbooks --
imagine how much you could be making if you spread
your advertising across multiple media and advertised
on the Internet... through direct mail... on the radio...
in classified ads... etc.
CD #2, Dan and Corey give you extremely detailed, step-by-step
examples of how you can use "integrated marketing" to grow your business.
tell you everything you need to know about:
to make money with ANY advertising -- in ANY medium! Dan and Corey reveal the SHOCKING common links between direct
mail, the Internet, radio advertising, infomercials, classified
advertising, TV advertising, newspaper advertising, and
to create a WINNING direct mail package in one afternoon! (You'll need a photocopier, some envelopes, and
lots of stamps... Orders can be pouring
back to you in as little as 3 weeks!)
what you can afford to spend on advertising -- in EVERY
medium, including direct mail, radio, classifieds, TV,
and infomercials -- using Dan's dollar-cost averaging
- The NEW generation of "tear sheet" mailings that one of Dan's clients -- an Internet business owner
-- recently used to make $20
for every $1 spent on his direct mail campaign!
what "pure generation"
ads look like -- and how you can easily
add these moneymakers to YOUR marketing campaigns!
to save money by TESTING your campaigns online -- before rolling them out by direct mail! (IMPORTANT...
Dan will explain how you can do this, but he will give you ONE CRITICAL warning... Do
this wrong, and you could LOSE money!)
to avoid wasting money on
overstock when you first start a business
-- and accurately and reliably predict demand for your product...
so your "extra" cash and profits are free
your business from sudden changes in laws that affect your marketing campaigns! (For example,
businesses that relied on broadcast fax disappeared
overnight when laws changed... How is YOUR business
to use video and audio to
increase yours sales -- both online
AND in your direct mail campaigns!
to set your price for maximum sales and profits! (IMPORTANT:
It's different for online marketing vs. offline marketing!)
need ONE web page, with no links, buttons, or navigation
-- to dramatically increase your sales!
Dan's magical "Existing
Excitement Formula" and
learn how it can be applied to almost any business...
for an almost INSTANT profit boost!
... plus much more!
Secrets never before shared outside of
Corey and Dan's 'inner circle' of friends...
Learn wildly profitable strategies for making MORE money with the SAME customers!"
last 45 minutes of this recording are extremely intense...
guarantee -- you will NOT understand or absorb everything
covered on this last CD by listening to it ONCE! You'll
need to review it MULTIPLE times in to glean every last profit
secret revealed here...
where Dan and Corey really "let the cat out of the bag"...
start talking about the HIDDEN strategies they used to grow their profits at lightning speed.
this recording, they kept much of this information to themselves -- this
is the first time I've EVER heard either one talk about these
a couple of the bombshell ideas revealed include:
to identify the clients who
will spend the MOST money with your
business, over the long term... as soon as they make their
to get permission from first-time
buyers to BILL THEM AGAIN, over and
over, for more of the same product or service, for years
how to turn ONE sale into multiple
sales, at BIGGER price points with the
"Maximum Lifetime Customer Value" formula -- even
if you don't have a second product right now
out -- what's the #1 most profitable
Internet marketing strategy that has NO
EQUAL in the offline world! (HINT: Thousands of people will promote your products for FREE!)
you know there are THREE types
of business income? Yet MOST businesses
only ever tap into ONE! Dan explains the three types in
detail, and gives examples of how you can apply this secret to
your business right away!
LIMITING your profits with first-time sales! Learn
how to get customers to say "YES" to more of your
products and services -- before their first purchase
simple three-letter word (it starts with "E")
that will force your customers to purchase
your most expensive
products -- even when you offer them something
This "ascension model" technique is
used regularly by American Express!)
to locate "vertical markets" using the Internet -- and why targeting these select groups
of buyers can be so lucrative!
YOU can learn about marketing from Regis Philbin's morning
talk show -- and how you can apply it to both your online
and offline marketing campaigns to maximize sales!
out whether online or offline customers BUY
MORE product! Get Corey and Dan's candid opinions based on their 40+ years
of combined experience!
- The shocking difference between Internet and
direct mail campaigns -- find out why ONE compelling offer
you in style for your entire life!
plus much more!
to this priceless recording from
your home or car -- with no risk.
As I mentioned
earlier, a recording like this would be priceless at the best of times.
But Corey's tragic passing made it even more so.
the last audio recording Corey did -- and it HONORS his work.
a package like this could EASILY be valued at $1,499.00 or MORE... and
still considered a bargain (when you consider Corey's consultation rates
were $2,790 per hour -- and Dan's rates are $9,600.00 per day), this ENTIRE package is yours for just $47.
... A low
enough price to make it accessible to almost anyone -- but high enough
to ensure that these profit secrets are not diluted and stay in the hands
of a select few.
"Be one of the FIRST 250 people to claim a copy -- and get
these THREE 'Special Edition' Bonuses
Valued at $329.92 -- but yours FREE!"
sure you'll agree that the information contained in these THREE CDs would
-- on its own -- be one of the most valuable and profitable investments
you could make for your business.
this is the VERY SAME information that, until now, Corey and Dan only
shared with their personal 'inner circle' of multi-millionaire friends
and business associates. And I can assure you that -- if applied properly
to ANY business -- these strategies could conservatively add $10,000 per
month to your bottom line!
as part of this special "limited edition" release of The
Ultimate Internet Entrepreneur, I will ALSO throw in these
THREE super bonuses -- valued at $329.92, but yours FREE if you act IMMEDIATELY!
Bonus #1 ***
is a $239.97 value, but it's yours FREE!
"The Fastest and Easiest Way to EXPLODE Your Income
By Taking Your Offline Business onto the Internet -- Even
Without A Website!"
audio recording (on CD) -- with
Dan Kennedy, Corey Rudl, and Bill Glazer
Dan and his associate, Bill Glazer, invited Corey to be the featured speaker on a limited-attendance tele-conference they hosted for just 200 members of their exclusive GOLD+ Mastermind Team.
Each attendee paid over $239.97 to hear this call -- and attendance was strictly limited...
Because, after Dan and Bill were done grilling Corey with
THEIR questions (for about 40 minutes), they opened
the phone lines up to listeners who hammered Corey with even
MORE questions (for another 36 minutes) -- for a total
of 76 minutes!
I can tell you straight: The hard-hitting
questions Corey answered on this call were NOT those of "newbie"
200 people listening to this tele-conference were all experienced,
successful offline business owners who asked "No-B.S."
questions about how the Internet can be applied
to their businesses FAST -- for the BIGGEST return
on investment, with the LEAST investment or risk!
example, Corey answered questions that revealed...
ANY offline business can use the Internet for BIGGER profits --
even without a web site! (If you're thinking, "How
is this possible?" -- you'll be shocked when Corey
explains this simple technique in detail.)
- The 2 blockbuster marketing ideas that Corey got from
Dan, which made him over $100,000
in profits (that's
cash in hand!) in less than 24 months!
proven winning formula you can use to generate
1,000's of qualified leads for your offline
which reliable Internet marketing strategies will make money every time you use them -- no matter WHAT you sell, no matter HOW MUCH
your product or service costs!
- Have businesses competing to partner with you with
this "win-win" joint venture strategy-- and you don't pay them a single red cent... unless
YOU make money!
the first time EVER -- Corey reveals his secret
"insider's guide" for setting your affiliate commissions. You'll learn exactly what percentage of your net
profits should be paid to your affiliates for MAXIMUM
sales and profits in your bank account.
- How to start an affiliate program for
your OFFLINE business! A lot of people find this confusing -- how can you start
an affiliate program for a business that's 100% offline?
Corey explains, in-depth...
absolutely ANY offline business can easily use the #1 most profitable Internet marketing
technique and attract 1,000's of qualified
leads and customers by starting an affiliate program!
Corey increased his sales 34%
by making one simple change to his web site
(and it took him less than 20 minutes to make this change)!
price points sell best online? Corey explains the
"ceiling" you need to be aware of and the
formula you need to continue closing sales like
crazy -- even once you've reached this critical
- Learn Corey's "Magic Sales Funnel Technique" that compels qualified buyers to make purchases
on their FIRST visit to your web site -- and then draws
them back AGAIN to make a SECOND
purchase within 48 hours! You won't believe
how easy this is...
and that's just for starters!
the information Corey shared on this 76-minute audio recording
is extremely valuable. Like I mentioned earlier,
Dan and Bill charged the 200 attendees $237.97 to hear this
call -- and attendance was strictly limited!
as part of this limited edition release for The Ultimate
Internet Entrepreneur, I have a *limited* number of copies of this audio-recording
-- this is a $239.97 value, but it's YOURS FREE!
Bonus #2 ***
is a $49.98 value, but it's yours FREE!
Secret to Dramatically Increasing Your Internet
Income -- With High-Profit
OFFLINE Direct Marketing Strategies!"
time in print -- anywhere! A 65-page book of
original articles and lessons by Dan Kennedy.
Shortly after Corey completed the audio recording with Dan, he asked Dan if he'd mind writing a short book to accompany the set of three CDs.
Both Dan and Corey agreed -- while a TON of information had been covered in the 150-minute audio recording... there were a handful of topics on the subject of direct marketing that needed to be covered in greater detail.
agreed to complete this book... just days before Corey passed
In Dan's mind, it was more important
than ever that this book be completed -- to both share this
critical information and ensure that listeners get
maximum value out of this last-ever Corey Rudl audio recording...
And, most important, to honor his agreement with Corey.
pulls out all the stops in this powerful guide, as he reveals...
techniques you can apply to bullet-proof
your business against unexpected
changes in media, technology, and market space.
Dan does NOT use the Internet himself (for example, he HATES
using e-mail!) -- but how he's using it to make MILLIONS in online sales.
"previously dead" offline direct marketing strategy
that is "fresh" and working again thanks to the
Internet! (This one secret could be worth $1,000's
in future profits for your online business!)
you have 3 choices when faced with new marketing
media -- do it yourself, hire someone to do it,
or find another "structure" to get it done...
and how to make the RIGHT choice!
to cash in while the Internet
is still considered a "new medium" -- and how to continue profiting as it matures
by watching for these KEY parallels to how infomercials
and direct mail evolved!
how to avoid the "extinction trap"! Hint: If you're selling a low-priced product, or
you have SMALL profit margins, you'll want to pay close
attention to this!
to spread your advertising
across MULTIPLE media (infomercials,
radio, TV ads, newspaper ads, classifieds, and more -- not
JUST the Internet!) for maximum sales and profits!
why the wealth of Dan's consulting clients
usually comes from attacking and dominating
niches and subcultures -- and hear his recommendations for finding and exploiting a niche of your own.
- The 4 critical steps you MUST take
to survive the current shift to a "permission
required" marketing environment -- both online AND
to become a Renegade Millionaire by building long-term equity and wealth
through Dan's key relationship-building concept -- "future
- The #1 most powerful "communication
arrangement" you can make with your
subscribers -- learn how to use this simple technique to
build a highly qualified opt-in list of future buyers!
FOUR types of income available to any business --
learn why most businesses are only taking advantage of TWO
incomes... and how you can immediately start generating
plus MUCH more!
Kennedy is already a best-selling author of 6 books and numerous "how-to" courses
and packages -- many of which retail for as much as
as part this limited edition offer for The Ultimate
Internet Entrepreneur, I will be releasing a limited
number of copies of Dan's exciting new book, which will NEVER be sold in bookstores, or
made available to anyone... except those of you who claim
your copy today, for FREE!
-- even though this limited-edition publication is valued
at $49.98, you will
get a FREE COPY when you claim your copy of The
Ultimate Internet Entrepreneur today!
*** Bonus #3 ***
is a $39.97 value, but it's yours FREE!
notes of the entire 150-minute audio interview -- with
This 65-page printed guidebook includes
a complete transcript -- plus detailed notes of critical
As you've seen, the 150-minute audio recording that captured the conversation between Corey and Dan is packed full of more wealth-generating ideas and genius than I have room to cover here.
But this limited edition package also includes a comprehensive 65-page printed guidebook that cost over $1,000 to produce and contains a complete, formatted, edited transcript of the conversation...
Plus, over 40 hours of painstaking
notes taken during the conversation that I'll include as "cheat
notes" alongside the transcript in this guidebook.
its own, this document would
be worth at least $39.97, as it contains many
of Corey and Dan's most closely guarded secrets for accumulating
wealth -- both online AND offline.
But I've decided to throw it in FREE as part of
this limited edition offer because I know this guidebook will
help you focus on actually absorbing the information -- instead
of trying frantically to write it all down!
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of supporting books, reports, and transcripts, designed to help you get
maximum value from this exclusive recording.
If you do YOUR part by actually implementing some of these
strategies in your business, then I personally guarantee that -- within
the next three months -- you will have made an absolute MINIMUM of FIFTY TIMES what you paid for this information...
... or I'll promptly refund every dime of your money!
I mean it.
If, during the next 90 days, you don't make at least $2,350 (fifty times
your $47 investment), and you don't believe this information
is worth literally TENS of thousands of dollars in FUTURE profits to
you, then I don't want you to keep it.
Just let me
know within the next 90 days (but after 30 days, to give you a fair
chance to listen to the material) -- and I'll give you 100% of your money
back. There will be NO hassles and NO questions asked. That's my promise to you.
(I can make
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to implement that it would be difficult for you NOT to make money with it!)
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to the first 250 people who claim their
After that, I will either REMOVE these bonuses from this package forever OR, I will consider raising the price to $1,499.00 or MORE to avoid diluting the value of the strategies revealed in this priceless
audio recording -- still a bargain (when you consider Corey's
consultation rates were $2,790 per hour -- and Dan's rates are $9,600.00
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I will consider raising the price to $1,499.00 or MORE to avoid
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